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I've been looking at The Saltings, the tidally flooded area of Hayle Estuary for nigh on 60 years now... | FB HDG Peter F Clemo

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I've been looking at The Saltings, the tidally flooded area of Hayle Estuary for nigh on 60 years now. It strikes me that it is getting more and more shallow as the years go on. Fair enough it is little or no use except as an area of outstanding beauty and as a bird sanctuary but what happens when it's no longer flooded by the tide and the birds and wildlife are all lost. Will someone have a monster moan at the RSPB for allowing the habitat to be destroyed. Hayle estuary is looking very much in need of dredging despite the sluicing that goes on. It won't be many years before there is no estuary or harbour in my view if some remedial action isn't taken. Has the sluicing done any good or should it be done when the tide has completely dropped and the waterways can be properly scoured by both the Carnsew reservoir and the Copperhouse pool

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Trevor Maxfield
Trevor Maxfield Copperhouse pool is also silted up, I dont think the RSPB care what we think.
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· 11 October at 09:47 · Edited
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Ken Stokell
Ken Stokell your absolutely right Peter F Clemo unfortunately the RSPB dont care and falsely claim what actual birds are on the estuary
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· 11 October at 15:00 · Edited
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John Minshall
John Minshall When I was a kid the Copper house pool filled up twice a day with the tide unless they closed the sluice gate. The water on the highest spring tide would make it up to the garden path. The stream used to be teaming with trout and when the tide came in you would see eels and grey mullet. How often do 'they' let the tide in now? To be honest I cant remember the last time I saw it in. And who does control it? surely not the RSPB.
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· 11 October at 20:12
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad Environment Agency.
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· 11 October at 21:49
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo I have never seen a trout in that water and most of the streams in and around the west here where I knew there were once trout are now barren
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· 11 October at 23:15
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Trevor Maxfield
Trevor Maxfield Twice each day, rarely close the gate.
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· 11 October at 20:15
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John Minshall
John Minshall That's strange, I overlook the marsh and haven't noticed the tide up in many years. It used to come up to the top of the small arch on black bridge for your reference. Maybe I'm just not around at the right time?
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· 11 October at 20:20
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad No, The Environment Agency don't open the gate fully as a flood prevention matter.
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· 11 October at 21:50
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John Minshall
John Minshall Thanks for the info Graham Coad I thought that might be the case.
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· 11 October at 21:55
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad I believe they could safely open it higher, but they decline.
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· 11 October at 21:58
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Trevor Maxfield
Trevor Maxfield I think you will only see that on the spring tides, we overlook the pool and often never notice the water. Perhaps someone will post a tide table.
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· 11 October at 20:30
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John Minshall
John Minshall Yeah I just checked and the water is running out not in at the moment. I wonder if they close the gates on a spring tide to stop flooding? Seems like in my memory it was always a lot higher than it is these days.
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· 11 October at 20:33
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Sharon Johnson
Sharon Johnson What do you mean Ken by falsely claim what birds are actually on the estuary .?
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· 11 October at 21:57
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Ken Stokell
Ken Stokell For a start rspb claim that there are winter migration birds on the estuary when pressed for for a less vague answer they said geese and cormorants well for a start geese are a summer migration bird and cormorants that's laughable as 1) they don't migrate and 2) they are a diving bird not a mud flat feeder they may have been seen on the estuary but they surely don't depend, live or feed on the estuary mud flats
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· 12 October at 06:09
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo high tide is tomorrow morning some time after 9...tides are dropping back after last weeks high springs. A fella I know who's a lot older tan me says he can remember when copperhouse would fill to the black bridge and into the land beyond that right up to the road by the kids play area is. It's so overgrown now
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· 11 October at 23:14
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad Copperhouse Pool and Wilson's pool levels are all down to the Environment Agency who control how much water comes in with their flood prevention gate, which, to save money on wages they keep at a low level of around five feet. They are all for flood prevention.
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· 14 October at 15:09
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo Where is Wilson's pool Graham?
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· 14 October at 16:16
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Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson East side of Black Road bordered by Lethlean Lane in fact the area you mention in your previous post.
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· 14 October at 18:11 · Edited
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo Andrew Thompson ....apart from the streams filling on the biggest of spring tides I've never seen any more flood than that. Learn something new everyday. That's a prime example of wetland lost to wildlife in particular birds
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· 14 October at 22:31
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Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson I've seen the whole area known as Wilson's Pool completely under water on many occasions Peter F Clemo but not recently - mind you in recent years I haven't visited the area as much as I used to. More frequent visitors will probably give a better assessment of how often the high tides reach over the banks of the stream beyond the Black Road bridge.
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· 14 October at 23:11
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo I've heard people talk of it but never seen it for myself
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· 14 October at 23:13
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Phil Thomas
Phil Thomas Random thought but couldn't the sand dredging company that operated out of Padstow be asked back to dredge the relevant areas with their barge at the right stage of tide?
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· 16 October at 00:43
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo they used to sell the sand
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· 16 October at 00:43
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Phil Thomas
Phil Thomas I know Peter, I went to school with the owners nephew,seems like a logical step though rather than let things get to the stage where its too late.
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· 16 October at 00:46
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo We're trying to get a dredger down Portreath for a big sand dig....I think it's one from Padstow ...likely be a grab type
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· 16 October at 01:06
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Phil Thomas
Phil Thomas Pretty sure the one one from Padstow was a wet pump system, run by the late David Williams. Remember watching it go up and down Hayle harbour on a summers evening years ago.
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· 16 October at 01:13
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad I don't think the owners want to pay, it's not cheap! _and public opinion is against selling sand.
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· 16 October at 04:42
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Ken Stokell
Ken Stokell The sand is not allowed to be sold but must be deposited back on the beaches above the high tide line and also the harbour owner will not pay for it to be done which shows how short sighted the harbour owner is if that water way was dredged correctly t...See more
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Ken Stokell
Ken Stokell In fact I'm quite surprised nobody else has noticed or asked
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· 16 October at 08:06
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad Things are not always as they seem Ken.
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo Graham Coad surely if sand is taken out and sold as and when is necessary then it helps offset cost!
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· 16 October at 11:57
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Graham Coad
Graham Coad Pubic uproar against it Peter!
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Peter F Clemo
Peter F Clemo we reap what we sow!
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Group wall post by Peter F Clemo - Peter F Clemo wrote on Hayle development discussion group's wall: I've been looking at The Saltings, the tidally flooded area of Hayle Estuary for nigh on 60 years now. It strikes me that it is getting more and more shallow as the years go on. Fair enough it is little or no use except as an area of outstanding beauty and as a bird sanctuary but what happens when it's no longer flooded by the tide and the birds and wildlife are all lost. Will someone have a monster moan at the RSPB for allowing the habitat to be destroyed. Hayle estuary is looking very much in ... (12 likes, 14 comments) [Facebook - Hayle development discussion group]

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